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rick28139 asked:


1. do you believe in the trinity? if yes give me reference of the word trinity in the bible.
2. Wich church did Jesus Christ found in matt 16:18? (remember he said church not churches…)
3. protestants, why after reading luke 1:48 do you not call the mother of god blessed?
4. Wich verse(s) tell what books are inspired books of the old testament? same question for the new.
I have more questions lots of them.
But that would be too long so watch for more later.
Also this is not posted to fight with anyone. Just provoke you to study and want to see what you have to say.
This question was asked at the baptist church up the street.
5. (final tonight on this) How long did it take god to part the sea for moses? >>hint exodus 14:21<<<

Rigoberto Iwasko
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sparc77 asked:


Many Christians believe that an event called the Rapture will precede the final days of the earth. During the Rapture (an event described in several places throughout the New Testament) all the saved on earth will be taken by Christ in the blink of an eye.

Whether you believe in God or not, the question is this:

If millions of people around the world suddenly vanished without a trace, would you be open minded enough to reconsider God’s message? Even then it will not be too late.
Tsk tsk tsk….look at all the venom being spewed. And so far only one has actually answered the question. What does that say about the rest of them?
A short extension to allow some of the respondents to actually answer the question instead of just spout hatred.
Eric: I think your problem is within yourself. This question in no way tries to force you to accept Christianity, but asks a simple question (which you answered).
I am not being dishonest with my words, and really don’t see how you got that impression.
Your diatribe on your perceptions of Christians was neither asked for nor necessary for anyone other than your own ego.
Footy: You don’t know my God. If you did, you would realize just how foolish you sound.

Bang A: You’re welcome to everything I leave behind. And if the question was so dumb, why did you answer it?

Devo: Dying is not vanishing. When a person dies they leave a body behind. As for God and the Rapture not being real…time will tell. If I am wrong, I give you full permission to taunt me. If I am right…….

Neil: that is your choice, but of all the entities ever to exist, God is the only one worthy of worship.

Pensive: Whether or not you believe in the Rapture, I fail to understand why you would be angry at God for a choice you made.
Iggy: Yes, I seriously think this is going to happen. I am not in the loony bin because I am not insane. The fact that you don’t get it is why you are asking those questions to begin with.
Sleep well.

1/1: I have every bit as much right to be online as you do.

Marchello14: You’re welcome to my stuff. Enjoy it while you can, but beware. You won’t have much time to enjoy it and you will have to share with Bang A.
ckrug: I’ll pray with you.

yakisquaw: I like the way you think and agree with you completely.

Vincenzo Sassone

Tyler G asked:


well, for all you people who say most of it was written after he died…thats not true…the old testaments were written hundreds of years befor he was even born…and every thing that was predicted…came true…please leave comments

Nina
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ostricoserpentino asked:


…while the bible is mentioned taken from the old testament; talking about temptaions etc…
this scene shocked me when i was a little kid…maybe this movie is from the ’70 (earliers) i don’t know; anyway it shocked me :)
thanks

Duane Salome
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robert asked:


Purgatory is simply the place where already saved souls are cleansed of the temporal effects of sin before they are allowed to see the holy face of Almighty God.

Revelation 21:27 tells us that “…nothing unclean will enter [Heaven].”

That there are temporal effects of sin is obvious when one considers that even those who have been baptized, who have a deep and intimate relationshp with Jesus, who are the “elect” or “the saved/being saved,” or what have you, are subject to pain, work, death and sickness.

Purgatory is His way of ensuring that Revelation 21:27 is true and that nothing unclean will see Heaven. It is only through Christ’s sacrifice that we are shown this mercy! It is Christ and Christ alone Who allows us access to the Father.

It’s isn’t in the Bible, but neither are the words “Trinity,” “abortion,” “lesbianism,” and “cloning” (or “Rapture,” for that matter), and it doesn’t matter whether you call the process of purgation “purgatory” or the “Final Theosis”: the concept of a “final cleansing” or “purgation” for those who require it is very evident in the Bible, in the writings of the early Church Fathers, and in the Old Testament religion whence Christianity sprang.

Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Hebrews 12:14, Hebrews 12:22-23, 1 Peter 4:6 and Revelation 21:10, 27 all speak of Purgatory in their telling of the need for purification, prayers for the dead, Christ’s preaching to the dead, or how nothing unclean will see God.

Archaeology also indicates the antiquity of the Christian belief in Purgatory/the Final Theosis: the tombs of the ancient Christians were inscribed with words of petition for peace and for rest, and at the anniversaries of deaths, the faithful gathered at the graves of the departed to make intercession for those who’d gone before.

Orthodox Jewish practices, which branched off from the Old Testament religion, to this day reflect belief in this “place” of final purification which they call Gehenom: when an Orthodox Jewish person dies, a ritual called the taharah is performed by the “Chevra kaddisha — gmilat khessed shel emet,” the “Holy Society” or “Burial Society” of Jews knowledgeable in these traditional duties. They cleanse and prepare the physical body and recite the required prayers (Chevra Kadisha) which ask God for forgiveness for any sins the departed may have committed, and beg Him to guard and grant eternal peace to the departed. For eleven months after the death of a loved one certain members of the family pray a prayer called the Mourner’s Qaddish (or Kaddish) for their loved one’s purification.

Even the The Talmud1 speaks of Purgatory:

Sabbath 33b:
“The judgment of the wicked in purgatory is twelve months.”
Rosh HaShanah 16b-17a:
“It has been taught that the school of Shammai says: “There will be three groups on Judgment Day (yom haDin):
(1) one that is completely righteous,
(2) one that is completely wicked,
(3) and one that is in between.”

The completely righteous will be recorded and sealed at once for eternal life. The completely wicked will be recorded and doomed at once to Gehinnom, as it says: “And many who sleep in the dust of the earth shall rise up, some to eternal life and some to shame and eternal rejection” [Daniel 12:2]. Those in between will go down to Gehinnom and cry out and rise up, as it says: “And I will bring the third part through the fire and refine them as silver is refined and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name and I will answer them” [Zechariah 13:9]

Jews, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox have always proclaimed the reality of the final purification for those who need it. It was not until the Protestant Reformers came in the 1500s that any Christians denied the idea of a final purgation before seeing the face of God.

Athena Knowles

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YanksFan asked:


From the Bible, Jesus (pbuh) said…
“It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come onto you, but if I go, I will send him”…
“And when he come, he will correct the world of sin… of sin because they do not believe in me…”

If you think this is the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost…the Bible says…
“Elizabeth had the Holy Ghost” (before Jesus was born)…
“Zacharia had the Holy Ghost”…
John the Baptist had the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb…

So how can the Holy Ghost only come once Jesus (pbuh) leaves… if the Holy Ghost was always there?

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now, when he the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you to all Truth, for he shall not speak from himself, but from what he hears,that shall he speak and he shall declare to you of things that will come.”

“He/Himself” named 8 times! I think it’s a man!
Also, “He” did not speak of his own, but from what he “hears” (Angel Gabriel and basically God)…. which exactly describes Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
I believe the Spirit of truth is Muhammad (pbuh)… he shall glorify Jesus (pbuh).. WHICH HE DOES!

“Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the Spirits whether they are from God, for many false Prophet have gone out in the world”
So……if a false Spirit is a false Prophet… why can’t the true Holy Spirit be a true PROPHET?

“Whoever believes Jesus is the Messiah is from God”-
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) recited from Allah in the Quran that Jesus (pbuh) is the “Messiah”
-from Quran chapter 3:45

By saying the Holy Spirit will abide with us forever, you don’t think it’s the teachings of Islam, which is said to be the “Final Testament”? Which abides forever?

What’s your thought?
living disciples?

Do you follow the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and what Christ (pbuh) said?
Are you of that specific time period?

According to your logic, everything Jesus (pbuh) said should be disregarded for newer generations since you aren’t directly ‘his disciples’

Moses Bedsole

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Pick6 asked:


The chain e-mail attacks on Sen. Barack Obama during this presidential race have been rampant and ruthless. He refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance ( False.) He was sworn into the Senate on a Koran, not the Bible ( Pants on Fire wrong.) His middle name is Mohammed and he’s a “covert” Muslim ( Pants on Fire wrong.)

But those allegations are dwarfed by a new chain e-mail that distorts the words of the Bible to suggest Obama is the Antichrist.

The e-mail reads: “According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal….the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything is it OBAMA??”

Like many other e-mails spreading falsehoods about the presidential candidates to thousands or even millions of people, this e-mail encourages its readers to pass it on: “I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet…do it! If you think I am crazy..Im sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the “unknown” candidate.”

We feel silly even writing about this because many people consider it ridiculous on its face. But the e-mail was sent to us by many PolitiFact readers who wanted us to sort it out. And judging by 635,000 hits on a Google search for “Obama + Antichrist,” the suggestion certainly has spread. Among the thousands of postings is one blog — “Barack Obama the Antichrist?” — devoted to exploring signs that Obama may be the Antichrist.

And it’s because of chain e-mails like this one that misunderstandings begin.

To be clear: Nothing about this detailed allegation is true.

Let’s begin with the Book of Revelation (note the singular, which is accurate), the final book in the Bible’s New Testament, which is 22 chapters long. Its sweeping apocalyptic language is laced with metaphors and symbols that challenge modern readers, but nowhere does it offer the kind of cookbook definition of the Antichrist proposed in this e-mail.

To reach our findings, we read the Book of Revelation and interviewed two religious scholars. Here’s what we found:

• The word “anti-christ” does not appear in the Book of Revelation.

“The word Antichrist is not used in the Book of Revelation so this is important to point out,” said Dr. James D. Tabor, professor and chair of the religious studies department at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. “Everybody thinks the word is used.”

That’s a pretty big hole in this e-mail from the get-go. We didn’t find the word in reading the text and our second scholar confirms this critical point.

“First and foremost, the word Antichrist and a figure called the Antichrist never occurs in the Book of Revelation in the New Testament,” said Dr. L. Michael White, professor of classics and religious studies at the University of Texas and director of the Institute for the Study of Antiquity and Christian Origins.

Now, some people interpret characters in the Book of Revelation to be the Antichrist even though the text doesn’t use this word. Specifically, in Chapter 13 there is a beast “having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy” that some consider to be an allusion to the Antichrist.

“It’s only in Chapter 13 and you could almost miss it,” Tabor said.

But among biblical scholars and historians, there is strong consensus that none of the strange, evil-sounding characters in the Book of Revelation actually represents the Antichrist.

“It wasn’t there in the Bible,” White said. “It emerges in the Middle Ages. It’s something historians deal with.”

Now the word Antichrist does appear a few times in other books of the Bible, specifically in First John and Second John. The description in First John, Chapter 4, verse 3 says: “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

• There’s no mention of a man of a certain age.

The Book of Revelation talks of God, Jesus Christ, John, spirits, Jezebel, a beast like a calf, a beast like a flying eagle, elders, a great red dragon and many more animals and people. But nowhere does it describe “a man, in his 40s,” as the e-mail alleges.

“As you notice, there’s nothing about being age 40,” Tabor said. “This is completely wrong. The Book of Revelation doesn’t say that. It says it’s a male, so I guess they got that right. It says ‘he,’ ‘he,’ ‘he.’ ”

• There’s no mention of the word “Muslim.”

Considering the Bible was completed by the early second century, and the Islam religion wasn’t founded until the early 600s, it’s not surprising that the world Muslim (the name for Islam followers) does not appear in the Book of Revelation.

So it’s this part of the e-mail, where it says the Antichrist will be a man “of Muslim descent,” that our religious scholars find particularly ridiculous.

By definition, the Antichrist is “the polar opposite and ultimate enemy of Christ,” according to the Encyclopedia Britannica. And because Muslims believe “there is no god but God,” they would have great difficulty with the idea of elevating a person to a divine status, White said.

“A Muslim would be a monotheist and the last thing a Muslim would do is have anyone worship anyone other than God,” Tabor said.

Not to mention the fact that Obama is not a Muslim.

White points to the specific descriptions of the Antichrist as evidence that the e-mail is drawing from a number of sources to create the image it wants to portray.

“There is no part of that anywhere in the Bible, not in those forms,” said White, who was a co-writer and historical consultant for the 1999 PBS documentary, Apocalypse! Time, History, and Revolution. “That’s all a jigsaw puzzle of bits and pieces all filtered through the kind of end-of-world scenarios we get in the theology that is the underpinning of the Left Behind novels.”

White says this patchwork interpretation of the Bible is common in some groups trying to justify certain beliefs.

“Of course, they never bothered to read the Scriptures carefully … so it’s kind of a system of interpretation. That if you start with that presupposition. … it’s all there you can just find it,” White said.

“That description (in the chain e-mail) never occurs anywhere in one place nor are the component parts really about the same situation. It’s a cherry-picking through Scripture to get it all to fit together.”

But fit together it doesn’t. The claim in this e-mail is egregiously inaccurate, so we rule it Pants on Fire wrong.

Loreen Hosle

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arnous81 asked:


Muslims say that The Quran is the word of God. They also believe that The Bible is the word of God, but since The Quran was sent after it, humans should follow it because it is the final testament.

What would people lose if they actualy studied Islam seriously, and that if they discover that the Quran IS the word of God, they follow it. Doesnt that sound more logical than being closed minded about Islam?

Phillip Kudo

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Marie asked:


ASAP! Major final review!

Vanessa Montes
tyler durden asked:


excuse my ignorance on this subject, but i was curious…what date was the complete bible, Old and New Testament finally completed? Who were the authors? and finally…who was the final authority on which books and gospels actually made the final cut?

Wilson Bebo