Archive for April, 2009
It is easy to see you guys don’t take critisim very well.
Denis Tinkey
The process of NT canonization took place between the 2nd and 4th centuries. The early church used the 4 principles of; authorship, nature of text, universality and inspirational character to decide what went in and what was left out to finally produce 27 “books” that somewhat loosely fit together to create a big story.
So why is such emphasis placed by some on the final products Inerrability when it was compiled by a committee?
Chris..I’m sorry to say you are utterly and copletely mistaken. The process is well understood and you appear to live in a world of uneducated “darkness” in order to preserve your belief structure.
LC…Of course some of the elements were used in the early church prior to canonization….Paul wrote his letters TO the churches!!!!!
Job…Thank you for your thoughtful and educated response as well as your concise summary of other arguments presented. Pleasure to receive your input.
Una Guilmain
“If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?…” – La martine
George Bernard Shaw said about him:
“He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
And much more…
If great men of yestertimes said so, why do some ignorant **** him or call him a pedophile etc etc?
After all he came as a final messenger of God to give mankind the final testament of God!
RW- As far as a muslim is concerned, Muhammad was very much a human being and not an angel, so sin and mistakes would have been committed and Almighty God is the greatest in weighing his deeds.
Muhammad is a messenger of Allah and not a ‘saint’ in Islam. There were wordly matters not known to him that he learnt from his fellow men and which Allah even approved of. (Like the pollination of the female date flowers by hitting them with the male flowers).
This does not cast him away from the fact that he was as Le Martin or G.B.Shaw etc described.
Since muslims are taught to love Allah the most, then Muhammad and then our own mother,then our own mother, then our own mother and then our father, we kind of ‘saintify’ Muhammad the way it should not have been done.
Linda – We do not negate the Bible as completely false because it definitely may contain the preachings of the times of our prophet Jesus (PBUH) that were in the ‘Injeel’, but when Allah has said that He is revealing to us the latest edition of those books that were released earlier namely the ‘Torah’, the ‘Injeel’(book of Jesus) etc through the last and final prophet-Muhammad(PBUH) then there is no point in us again refering back to the older books, But we do believe in Jesus, Moses and all other Prophets and their original books too. Unfortunately none of them exists in their original form and we are left with the Qur’an to contain the whole truth.
I would like to draw your focus to the 3 criteria of a human genious:
Greatness of purpose: To spread the word of God!
Smallness of means: An illiterate and poor humab being who lost his parents in childhood and who lost the support of his own family when it came to preaching his purpose.
Astounding results: The whole of pagan Arabia got transformed and has spread outside it and still continues…
Please Please Please do not quote arrogant translation of the Qur’an and say it is from Allah (swt).
To understand the context under which Muhammad had wives and slave girls is easy if we can go back in history.
In those days slavery was not looked on as dastardly as we do today. On the contrary, it was a very arrogant and cruel slavery and Muhammad taught to treat slaves with kindness and if you could open your hearts as much, then to free the slaves. Similarly *** was so out of bounds. Muhammad brought in a binding to that.
I do not intend to push down your throats, what I believe is true. But I must definitely pass on the message that our beloved prophet of mankind gave us!
Cathrine Laneaux
For example, let’s say they’ve been another religion their whole lives but on their deathbeds in their final couple days they accept Jesus. In that case, if they’re interested in the bible, would you rather have them start reading the Old Testament or the New Testament?
Personally, I’m thinking New Testament because if they’re in their final days it is best to learn the words of Jesus rather than the history of the canon. What do you think?
Rodney Pettipas
in the ancient greek text what is the tense for the blasphemy against the holy spirit? Is it a final tense like saying “If you do blaspheme the spirit, you will never be forgiven afterward?” Or is it more like saying ” Through blaspheming the spirit you will never find forgiveness” kind of like saying “While refusing to bear its load and walk, a stubborn mule will never reach the top of the hill.” In other words, in its original text, does this scripture mean that those who blaspheme the spirit will never be forgiven or that they will not be forgiven while they are blaspheming and persisting adamantly against the spirit?
I was also wondering about the original text for the lake of fire. I have heard that eternal is translated from aionios, meaning for a period of time. By looking at other usages of the greek for ages and ages, do we find that it means eternal or for a very long time. Does it mean that they will be in the lake of fire forever and ever? Or for ages and ages?
Giovanni Brisco
1: ARIES (Spirit/Pre-Birth)
The form in which you were created by God. The pure essence of You. You are the only soul with your particular “brand” of personality. You’ve just came into being, so you’re not yet ready to cross over into physical form.
2: TAURUS (Birth)
You are born into physical form by physical parents. You now use your physical senses to take in the world around you.
3: GEMINI (Infant)
You’re still a baby and learning sounds, shapes, colors, animals & even words. You don’t quite know who you are yet. You’re still learning the basics of life, like right & wrong.
4: CANCER (Toddler)
You are strongly attached to your parent(s) or guardian(s). Because, you realize that they’re the provider(s) of your basic worldly needs. You know things like names by now & you’re more physically able.
5: LEO (Childhood)
You’re extremely energetic & imaginative. You do whatever you want, but you’re so cute that you’re not expected to clean up your messes. You’re very self-expressive & creative. This is generally quite a happy time for you. This is also when you probably begin school.
6: VIRGO (Pre-Teen/Teenager)
You’re in the puberty stage. You probably have to clean up your messes now. The focus now is on physical hygiene. You’re likely in school, and you might start learning about relationships.
7: LIBRA (Teenager/Adult)
This is the time when you’ll graduate school. You’ll most likely start college, start a relationship or get a job. Now the focus is on relationships. You appreciate your own beauty, as well as the beauty of others. You’re finally at the age when you have the power to be on your own, and have freedom from the care of your parents.
8: SCORPIO (Adulthood)
If you’ve started a relationship, this is the most likely time when you’ll get married and/or have children. You have a strong sense of security. You are now focused on the assets of others. You have the power to handle other people’s belongings. This is the most likely time for your grandparent(s) to die and leave you with an inheritance. Your parents are aging. You’re quite ambitious or passionate now. This is likely the most sexual period in your life. It’s quite an intense time!
9: SAGITTARIUS (Middle Age)
This is likely to be the last point in your life when you’re very physically active. You’re quite philosophical. You’re probably still working at a job, but close to retiring. You might be having a “mid-life” crisis. Your parent(s) are likely to die during this time, or if you’re lucky, not until the next life stage. You want to take lots of vacations with your family or spouse while you’ve still got a sense of adventure. The focus is on traveling.
10: CAPRICORN (Old Age/Death)
Now you retire from your job. You’re too physically lethargic to work anymore. You’re mainly thinking about retiring at home and earning your annual 401k. You won’t tolerate being cheated financially, because the main focus is on receiving the money you deserve for your life’s work. Your spouse may die during this time, or if you’re lucky, not until the next life stage. You’re quite senile now. You’re likely to write your last will & testament.This is the final stage of your physical life.
11: AQUARIUS (Death/The Ever After)
Now your mind has been liberated from worldly things. You feel detached from “all that”. As crazy as it may seem, in your final days you’re not thinking about the past but dreaming about the future. You’ve likely been thinking about what your spouse or children will have left from you, and also about your future in the spiritual realm. You want to shower joy, hope & pearls of wisdom over family & friends. Now in your final moments, you want to give them spiritual guidance. You’re ready to cross over into the hereafter.
12: PISCES (The Ever After/Re-Birth)
You have crossed over into the spiritual realm. You realize that you are One in a “sea” of infinite souls, and there are endless universal possibilities. God is the Alpha & Omega, the Creator of Everything. Now that You are One with God, you have the power to control your spiritual journey or assist the journeys of other souls. This is also where you realize the importance of the physical journey. The cycle is complete and you can begin it all over again, starting with Re-Birth.
I wrote this, so yeah…What do U think of it?
Moira Aiava
If not, then what’s the meaning? The lyrics are kind of vague in this sense and don’t provide much. Is it a song really praising the virgin Mary?
For reference, here are the lyrics:
I am alive
I feel dirt in my eyes
There’s no escape when redemption is lost
I’m not a saint
There’s no use to looking
No sins to deny
Just my will to go on
Armas of darkness
Embrace me in madness
In my life it’s mandatory
Hard to resist you
I still can’t forgive you
For sins that I cannot wash away
Hail Mary full of grace
Throw some light upon this race
Intertwining final breath
Now… in the hour of death
[Solo: James]
Bound by the lies
Of constant denial
Pay for my sins that I bear for a child
I’m not a saint
There’s no use denying
Falling from grace
Is my reason to go on
Hail Mary full of grace
Put me down, and kick me in my face
Intertwining final breath
Now… in the hour of death
Carma Bracamontes
The New Testament warns us that others will come, preaching another Christ. Is that a reference to Muslims, who preach that Jesus Christ was a mere prophet, and that Mohammed was greater, and, the final prophet?
The only prophets Muslims seem to venerate are the ones from olden times….they do not believe there has even been a prophet since Mohammed. So much for their respect for prophets.
Russel Stam
Why NIV (New International version) of bible censored. Countless verses thrown from bible?
Please note that these are only WHOLE verses that the NIV deletes. This list does not include the many words and phrases that were completely deleted from the NIV–it deletes over 64,000 words including words like mercyseat, Jehovah, and Godhead. It removes meaningful, well-known Bible words like Calvary, Lucifer, new testament, regeneration, etc. Most of the modern Bibles line up very closely with the NIV–and so does the New World Translation–the Bible of the Jehovah’s Witnesses which predates the NIV!
When you read below where I say that a verse is COMPLETELY deleted, I mean clean/bald-headed/gone/vanished deleted. For instance, if you search for Acts 8:37 in the NIV you will read,
36As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why shouldn’t I be baptized?”
38And he ordered the chariot to stop. Then both Philip and the eunuch went
Bradley Misek



















